Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage)
Believe it or not the delay is on purpose to not punish people with packet loss/high latency.
Last year they introduced a patch to reduce the buffer time before the game retry to re send packets when there is an error. And it was the smoothest gameplay I ever had in any fifa game online. this change reduced the time that allows a player connection to catch up with the server so it also reduced the maximum time of lag compensation the net code can apply. This resulted in perfect gameplay for people with stable internet, by stable I dont mean high speeds. I mean hard wired connection or even close range wifi on a router/modem that isnt shared with multiple other people/devices using the bandwidth.
This also resulted in more people suffering from speed up lag. Speed up lag is 100% because of the player connection, failure to recieve or/send packet to/from server means there will be an interreption until the player catches up. People almost revolted in twitter and reddit and even here. Ea reverted the changes.
Ea reverted the changes because IMO they want more people to be able to play the game so more opportunity for them to make money.
They invested in new amazon servers in france. Amazon servers are among the best and I have conducted long testings and they never showed packet drop or latency jitter. They also using amazon servers on germany, their perfect. I3d.net servers in netherland and again they never showed any issues in my testings.
The real problem is the net code, the servers are programmed to drop the refresh rate to as low as 20hz if one client is having latency or packet drop issue. to make it simple for you to understand, the net code tells the server, hello there is on client with bad connection. please lower the refreshrate and make the game fair for both clients 😅
The notion of fairness is truly ridiculous here, they make one player delayed so the other doesnt get speed up lag!
I have tested playing on 3g/4g hotspot with massive packet drop and its always the smoothest online gameplay ever. I feel the advantage I have on my opponent when I dribble past his players yet he can't chain two passes.
Finally to explain why some games feel smooth amd some feel like playing in mud. when you and your opponent both have perfect connection to the server the gameplay will be smooth, if one party have issues, the client with the best connection get punished! The refresh rate changes even mid game to adjust to clients changes in connectivity quality which is truly pathetic.
So if you have the slightest hope in this game getting fair online gameplay then you will forever be dissapointed. this company is only interested in maximum amount of player engagement. thinks that warning/time banning/punishing people with bad internet like the majority of games do nowadays will hurt their income.
November 3, 2019 2:36PM Posted in Ultimate Team General Discussion
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tworaf replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 6:23PM
lIlIlIlIlIl wrote: »
Provided your opponent doesn't play on a ghetto connection, then lag compensation kicks in and lowers the tickrate to 20 resulting in dire gameplay.
Anyway, this all makes perfect sense. Also keep in mind that in a broad survey on social media last year, it was established that around 50% play FIFA on WIFI.
It's all about income and the player base engagement. people will still play with delay but they won't with massive speed up lag.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
tworaf replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 4:17PM
what if I told you all amazon servers they use in france and germany are 60hz but the refreshrate is dynamic and changes even mid game to compensate for connectivity issues.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
tworaf replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:13PM
Whitebeard wrote: »I don't buy it. Sorry.
When FIFA 17 started, the 1st few weeks were amazing. It was smooth, responsive. And ever since more people qualified, the experience was getting worse.
It was the same during early access. Every time there are less players, the game feels okay. Once more people gets into the game, it all goes to crap.
Is it only a coincidence that the game feels good when there are less people online? That people who play then have the best connection? Nah fam. That's garbage.
I was like you at first, I couldn't believe the results when testing latency and packetloss to servers. How come I have delayed gameplay when everythig is stable on my end? well you notice improvement in responsivity late at night and early morning because many factors decides connectivity quality. Not going in to details too much but even your isp network plays a role in your gameplay quality, when there is overload in your country network or even at one hop, you will feel more delay. When playing in none peak times, there is less chance to have delay.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
tworaf replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 2:56PM
Just one question, how come i have never got speed up lag on any other online game? if the speed up lag was my internet?
many games especially shooters visually mask the lag. You never notice anything while playing but with bad internet you get killed around corners because people with better connectivity see you first for example.
So how did the speed up lag just magically vanish for me in fifa 17? I didnt change anything on my end. It also vanished for a lot of other players too.
If you're on long wifi or/and sharing the internet with multiple people on the house hold you will always get speed up lag if no QOS is configured to give your console/pc priority in send/recieving packets. in fifa 17 they introduced more servers and made most of the game only use servers and no more p2p. Also in 17 till now they are using exactly the same netcode that tries to compensate too much for **** connections.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
tworaf replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 2:53PM
I always knew it was unstable connections ruining the experience for people with stable internet. Fifa is the only game you're forced to throttle your connection to improve the experience on your end. I've tested this extensively, the more stable your connection is and the more you get punished. They don't give a flying f, that's why this game can never be taking seriously on the competitive scene.
Its also why most streamers have perfect gameplay, they use their upload bandwidth to stream the match in HD 😅
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
tworaf replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 2:48PM
Just one question, how come i have never got speed up lag on any other online game? if the speed up lag was my internet?
many games especially shooters visually mask the lag. You never notice anything while playing but with bad internet you get killed around corners because people with better connectivity see you first for example.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
tilen11 replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 6:43PM
All the people here, that are saying "my internet is fast, wired, stable", he just explained it doesnt matter since if you are playing someone who doesnt have that, your gameplay will be slower and laggy since the servers compensate what other person lacks.
How fast, stable and wired your connection is doesnt matter in the end if the person on the other side doesnt have the same (good) connection as you.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
lIlIlIlIlIl replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 5:08PM
Provided your opponent doesn't play on a ghetto connection, then lag compensation kicks in and lowers the tickrate to 20 resulting in dire gameplay.
Anyway, this all makes perfect sense. Also keep in mind that in a broad survey on social media last year, it was established that around 50% play FIFA on WIFI.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
bainaar replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:04PM
The lag compensation seems worse than ever this year.. I used to feel like if I concentrate I can fight through it
But this year it's on a whole other level, as you mentioned I just can't string 2 passes together.. the ball just slows down and my players all freeze until the opponent casually jogs over and intercepts the ball
Last night in WL my game completely froze on the halfway line for 4 seconds, then resumed in fast forward.. my opponent was in my box scoring a goal.. so basically he dropped frames on his wifi and EA decided I should be punished (I'm on 200mb, wired connection with 0 packet loss)
I have a broadband monitor running 24/7, so I know 100% the issue wasn't on my end.. I have a stable connection with 0 packet loss and consistent, stable latency
Really don't understand why they can't just implement a system that forces both clients to sync up to create a balance.. even if that means horrible slow gameplay or maybe the game needs to pause until a client catches up (I know COD used to do this back in the day)
Yes that would be annoying, but at least it would fair.. and it may even force people to address their connectivity issues as they would experience it more often than not
Both players should be experiencing the same gameplay, giving people with terrible connections such a huge advantage should never be considered an acceptable solution
Unless something changes very soon then I'm done with this game for good.. it's just not worth my time playing through games when I'm at such a severe handicap
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Whitebeard replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:27PM
Whitebeard wrote: »I don't buy it. Sorry.
When FIFA 17 started, the 1st few weeks were amazing. It was smooth, responsive. And ever since more people qualified, the experience was getting worse.
It was the same during early access. Every time there are less players, the game feels okay. Once more people gets into the game, it all goes to crap.
Is it only a coincidence that the game feels good when there are less people online? That people who play then have the best connection? Nah fam. That's garbage.
I was like you at first, I couldn't believe the results when testing latency and packetloss to servers. How come I have delayed gameplay when everythig is stable on my end? well you notice improvement in responsivity late at night and early morning because many factors decides connectivity quality. Not going in to details too much but even your isp network plays a role in your gameplay quality, when there is overload in your country network or even at one hop, you will feel more delay. When playing in none peak times, there is less chance to have delay.
I would love if you could go into details.
I am not a professional regarding servers, but I know a thing or two. I'd be interested in seeing your tests and explanations, if you would bother to make such a thread. If not, no worries.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Whitebeard replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 2:56PM
I don't buy it. Sorry.
When FIFA 17 started, the 1st few weeks were amazing. It was smooth, responsive. And ever since more people qualified, the experience was getting worse.
It was the same during early access. Every time there are less players, the game feels okay. Once more people gets into the game, it all goes to crap.
Is it only a coincidence that the game feels good when there are less people online? That people who play then have the best connection? Nah fam. That's garbage.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Theomanny replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:52PM
I have come to the conclusion am an elite 1 player even though i get gold 2 and 1 always. Delayed gameplay infuriates me to the point i rage around the house. Bless the young lads. I am a different gamer in smooth fifa gameplay. I can take literally anyone to the end when gameplay is smooth. I am playing cod now and not bothered about fifa that much. Spending more time with the kids and wify is all that matters as nothing will change with this game unless they shut it down
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Retro_G replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 2:58PM
I always knew it was unstable connections ruining the experience for people with stable internet. Fifa is the only game you're forced to throttle your connection to improve the experience on your end. I've tested this extensively, the more stable your connection is and the more you get punished. They don't give a flying f, that's why this game can never be taking seriously on the competitive scene.
Its also why most streamers have perfect gameplay, they use their upload bandwidth to stream the match in HD 😅
Yeah knew it years ago mate, can almost guarantee the majority of top 100 players are playing on woeful unstable connections. I've been asking for connection restrictions in Fut Champions since Fifa 17, but like you said and they don't give a toss.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Retro_G replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 2:51PM
I always knew it was unstable connections ruining the experience for people with stable internet. Fifa is the only game you're forced to throttle your connection to improve the experience on your end. I've tested this extensively, the more stable your connection is and the more you get punished. They don't give a flying f, that's why this game can never be taking seriously on the competitive scene.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Renamed123456 replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:20PM
I say it all the time...
When R6 people were having connection problems, Ubisoft introduced some lag compensation to try balance connections... this resulted in a drastic disadvantage to people on better connections.
People complained said yo this is trash, Ubisoft realised this and removed it, then instead focused on fixing the netcode to improve it for all players, so that poor connection people wont suffer as much and good connection won't be punished.
They called that period "operation health"
Maybe FIFA needs a season called "injury rehab" where they work solely on net related stuff.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Onculcan replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:46PM
Great topic, which explains all. I will try hotspot connection from phone using 4G, I am sure the connection will be better...
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
NornIron replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:40PM
I can tell right now its not other people's connections, I get delay 99% of the time every match I play is 5 bars. Online friendlies is the best mode for gameplay atm.
Its overloaded servers or the routes that your internet takes to the servers even squad battles has a slight delay its all connected that's why I try squad battles before an online rivals match.
If anyone can find the server that fifa connects to when playing squad battles let me know.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Nervous_Nick replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:39PM
If i have delay, it’s for the whole evening. It almost never changes between one game and the next one.
If gameplay is smooth, same thing.
Do you have an explanation for this??
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Henzz87 replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:00PM
Just one question, how come i have never got speed up lag on any other online game? if the speed up lag was my internet?
many games especially shooters visually mask the lag. You never notice anything while playing but with bad internet you get killed around corners because people with better connectivity see you first for example.
So how did the speed up lag just magically vanish for me in fifa 17? I didnt change anything on my end. It also vanished for a lot of other players too.
If you're on long wifi or/and sharing the internet with multiple people on the house hold you will always get speed up lag if no QOS is configured to give your console/pc priority in send/recieving packets. in fifa 17 they introduced more servers and made most of the game only use servers and no more p2p. Also in 17 till now they are using exactly the same netcode that tries to compensate too much for **** connections.
So they introduced more servers and that got rid of the speed up lag for me? I am sorry dude but that says to me it was there fault.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Henzz87 replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 2:52PM
Just one question, how come i have never got speed up lag on any other online game? if the speed up lag was my internet?
many games especially shooters visually mask the lag. You never notice anything while playing but with bad internet you get killed around corners because people with better connectivity see you first for example.
So how did the speed up lag just magically vanish for me in fifa 17? I didnt change anything on my end. It also vanished for a lot of other players too.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Henzz87 replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 2:45PM
Just one question, how come i have never got speed up lag on any other online game? if the speed up lag was my internet?
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Gunin replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 7:28PM
Just one question, how come i have never got speed up lag on any other online game? if the speed up lag was my internet?
many games especially shooters visually mask the lag. You never notice anything while playing but with bad internet you get killed around corners because people with better connectivity see you first for example.
So how did the speed up lag just magically vanish for me in fifa 17? I didnt change anything on my end. It also vanished for a lot of other players too.
Because your internet probably sucked compared to most people so when they introduced the patch that slowed down other people with faster internet tadaa your lag disappeared.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Gnomenclature replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:49PM
Nervous_Nick wrote: »If i have delay, it’s for the whole evening. It almost never changes between one game and the next one.
If gameplay is smooth, same thing.
Do you have an explanation for this??
This is also my experience. It's either good or bad for an entire session.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
CarpeDiem replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:48PM
What baffles me is that they still use 30hz servers.
This is they key imo, if you connect to a 60hz server the gameplay 99% of the time is smooth.
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Bouboe112 replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:11PM
Ultimately this game is unplayable online and we should all stop playing. And anyone that buys fps should go to an asylumm and get his head checked. Its like someone spitted in your face and you say thank you and give him your money
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Bouboe112 replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 3:08PM
Interesting but i have a wired 100mbps connection and live in the Netherlands. Last couple of weeks the gameplay feels so heavy and unplayable regardless of the time i play. It cant be that all my opponents have bad internet cause i played hundreds of games. I havent had a smooth game since early acces when it was great !
Idk what ea did but this year its a trainwreck and **** and they cant let it stay like this cause the masses are going to revolt and ultimately the game will die. Its already pretty dead imo.
People only play ut because of FOMO and not because its an enjoyable experience online. Its an absolute horrendous experience
You should post this on reddit tho. This is interesting to know why its so **** up
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
BorussenBernie09 replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 7:27PM
@tworaf that is what I always thought. I'm on 400 MBit internet and gameplay is pretty often **** for me. Thx for the explanation, Mate!
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Arsenalman replied to Fifa 20 server and netcode analysis (Now pros are messing with their connection to get an advantage) on November 3, 2019 2:54PM
Hi guys, I have put alot of time in to this starting from last year when Ea announced their making efforts to improve responsiveness. I worked in game dev before and networking is my field. English is not my first language also This going to be a long read so here is a TLDR:
Believe it or not the delay is on purpose to not punish people with packet loss/high latency.
Last year they introduced a patch to reduce the buffer time before the game retry to re send packets when there is an error. And it was the smoothest gameplay I ever had in any fifa game online. this change reduced the time that allows a player connection to catch up with the server so it also reduced the maximum time of lag compensation the net code can apply. This resulted in perfect gameplay for people with stable internet, by stable I dont mean high speeds. I mean hard wired connection or even close range wifi on a router/modem that isnt shared with multiple other people/devices using the bandwidth.
This also resulted in more people suffering from speed up lag. Speed up lag is 100% because of the player connection, failure to recieve or/send packet to/from server means there will be an interreption until the player catches up. People almost revolted in twitter and reddit and even here. Ea reverted the changes.
Ea reverted the changes because IMO they want more people to be able to play the game so more opportunity for them to make money.
They invested in new amazon servers in france. Amazon servers are among the best and I have conducted long testings and they never showed packet drop or latency jitter. They also using amazon servers on germany, their perfect. I3d.net servers in netherland and again they never showed any issues in my testings.
The real problem is the net code, the servers are programmed to drop the refresh rate to as low as 20hz if one client is having latency or packet drop issue. to make it simple for you to understand, the net code tells the server, hello there is on client with bad connection. please lower the refreshrate and make the game fair for both clients 😅
The notion of fairness is truly ridiculous here, they make one player delayed so the other doesnt get speed up lag!
I have tested playing on 3g/4g hotspot with massive packet drop and its always the smoothest online gameplay ever. I feel the advantage I have on my opponent when I dribble past his players yet he can't chain two passes.
Finally to explain why some games feel smooth amd some feel like playing in mud. when you and your opponent both have perfect connection to the server the gameplay will be smooth, if one party have issues, the client with the best connection get punished! The refresh rate changes even mid game to adjust to clients changes in connectivity quality which is truly pathetic.
So if you have the slightest hope in this game getting fair online gameplay then you will forever be dissapointed. this company is only interested in maximum amount of player engagement. thinks that warning/time banning/punishing people with bad internet like the majority of games do nowadays will hurt their income.
But this doesn’t explain why during the day UK it’s always poor but in the am’s it’s workable, surely it can’t be because people with bad internet play during the day. I’ve also played with 1% packet loss and it was awful
2:00 pm, November 5, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
