5212 is the best formation on the game
November 8, 2019 11:36PM Posted in
kraid replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 8, 2019 11:37PM
So since you’re the only one using it you must be unbeaten this year?
12:00 am, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Skinner249 replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 2:18AM
Switched to 5212 in preparation for Rio next week after doing Gomez SBC plus having VVD. Well that and constantly getting countered using 4 back formations because I dont really enjoy having half my team on stay back.
Used it at beginning of the year for the wing backs running down the flanks unmarked and enjoyed. Dunno why I changed first time around to be honest.
2:30 am, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Seandimes replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 9, 2019 9:32PM
Hmmm interestin. Played on a bit, and got as far as 5 wins in a row using this. What is noticeable is that it is much more stable defensively. Here are my results from 10 games before (using 4222) and then the 5 game streak:
Can see in general the games are much less high scoring. Three things stand out for me:
1) I have the WB set to "join the attack" but at times it feels they dont, or at least are very slow to do so. This adds defensive stability obviously, but also blunts the attack somewhat
2) The movement of my strikers feels really good in this formation, which is wierd because they have exact same settings, same players as i used in 4222 and in 41212 and they didnt move at all well. Makes about as much sense as the rest of fifa
3) with this formation my pass completion % takes a big spike - been 89 - 92% during that streak and at times before it was down in the low 80s, and at best 87 or so.
I am not gonna rebuild my team into this, because i know fine well it will just suddenly stop working, but nice tip that has helped my WL. Cheers @KezzaJ and the others who posted
Very interesting! You liked the 41212 too if I remember correctly, so it makes sense the 5212 suits you since its basically the same formation.
Pass completion is the complete opposite for me. I often have 90-95% pass completion in 4222, but whenever I go to a 41212, it goes down into the low 80s.
10:00 pm, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Seandimes replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 2:09PM
Ended up 9 - 3 using this formation after 9 - 9 using my "regular formation".
To be honest, as with every single aspect of this game, it is just impossible to know whether it worked or whether i just won the connection roullette more times in those 12 games. The only time i had real trouble was the last game against a pretty poor team playing 41212 wide and it was just a horrid connection. My passes were not happening until it was way too late, and he could skill round me because my defenders were stuck in mud. Games like that kinda just drive home that formations, tactics, systems, all make zero difference much of the time.
None the less, i will keep this formation and give it a go in rivals a bit, see if i can hit upon some semi-decent gameplay at some point
what kind of instructions/tactics are you using? gonna give this a try after I finish my wl games
2:30 pm, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Salvatori replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 9, 2019 9:53PM
Hmmm interestin. Played on a bit, and got as far as 5 wins in a row using this. What is noticeable is that it is much more stable defensively. Here are my results from 10 games before (using 4222) and then the 5 game streak:
Can see in general the games are much less high scoring. Three things stand out for me:
1) I have the WB set to "join the attack" but at times it feels they dont, or at least are very slow to do so. This adds defensive stability obviously, but also blunts the attack somewhat
2) The movement of my strikers feels really good in this formation, which is wierd because they have exact same settings, same players as i used in 4222 and in 41212 and they didnt move at all well. Makes about as much sense as the rest of fifa
3) with this formation my pass completion % takes a big spike - been 89 - 92% during that streak and at times before it was down in the low 80s, and at best 87 or so.
I am not gonna rebuild my team into this, because i know fine well it will just suddenly stop working, but nice tip that has helped my WL. Cheers @KezzaJ and the others who posted
Very interesting! You liked the 41212 too if I remember correctly, so it makes sense the 5212 suits you since its basically the same formation.
Pass completion is the complete opposite for me. I often have 90-95% pass completion in 4222, but whenever I go to a 41212, it goes down into the low 80s.
Tbh i didnt so much "like" 41212 as i found in times of sluggish gameplay it gave me better results, It never really felt overly great in build up terms.
I think what i like better with this is that you always have that wide outlet in the WB. Ive used 352 quite a bit and the wingbacks are often so far advanced that they are marked. With this nearly always a passing option to go out to the WB and build from there.
I think that is likely what props up the pass % for me. With 4222 for some reason i struggle against the press, cant always find the backwards pass.
That said, now lost 2 of my last 3 with this, but both times because fifa is fifa. Conceding nothing but goals after i win two tackles. Just gotta ride that out and accept it will take away my G2 this week. The unspoken numerical device is what it is.
10:00 pm, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Salvatori replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 9, 2019 8:59PM
Hmmm interestin. Played on a bit, and got as far as 5 wins in a row using this. What is noticeable is that it is much more stable defensively. Here are my results from 10 games before (using 4222) and then the 5 game streak:
Can see in general the games are much less high scoring. Three things stand out for me:
1) I have the WB set to "join the attack" but at times it feels they dont, or at least are very slow to do so. This adds defensive stability obviously, but also blunts the attack somewhat
2) The movement of my strikers feels really good in this formation, which is wierd because they have exact same settings, same players as i used in 4222 and in 41212 and they didnt move at all well. Makes about as much sense as the rest of fifa
3) with this formation my pass completion % takes a big spike - been 89 - 92% during that streak and at times before it was down in the low 80s, and at best 87 or so.
I am not gonna rebuild my team into this, because i know fine well it will just suddenly stop working, but nice tip that has helped my WL. Cheers @KezzaJ and the others who posted
9:00 pm, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Salvatori replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 9, 2019 4:34PM
I dont know about best formation, but i gave this a try out of sheer boredom / frustration at being unable to play in the horrible gameplay with "normal" formations.
I did the 5212, both wingbacks on "join the attack" but both CMs on stay back, both strikers on get in behind. Creates a nice big space for the CAM. Used Scream Bernard at LWB as he has 99 stamina, Semedo at RWB and Dembele at CAM.
2 games and it did feel nice and controlled. First game i won against a good player - the type i respect, he played a passing game, nice slowed down dribbling and used Modric, Rakitic and Suarez so anything but the Meta.
Next game, the polar opposite, Sweaty Meta with POTM Vardy up top, Zaha CAM and ASM RW. First half he didnt have a shot, but i only managed one goal because Prime Icon Joe Gomez was blocking everything and Lloris was saving what he didnt. Second half he turned on constant pressure though and my team melted, couldnt pass. He equalised from it but with the last kick supersub CAM Bruno Fernange 
Winner.
Im sure with even more suited players and different CT it could be even better (i just used balanced / balanced with pretty netural settings)
5:00 pm, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Salvatori replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 7:57PM
Tried to make a couple of tweaks and try a possession version, and also tweak settings on CMs and ST.
Sadly its just a waste of time today like its been all weekend. Tried 2 games, both draws and both impossible to judge tactical changes. Nothing but passes going diferent directions to my left stick aim, skill moves failing to register, defenders changing direction like tanks.
Maybe if the gameplay is better later in the week i will play around with this some more.
8:00 pm, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Salvatori replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 3:32AM
Renamed123456 wrote: »Hmmm interestin. Played on a bit, and got as far as 5 wins in a row using this. What is noticeable is that it is much more stable defensively. Here are my results from 10 games before (using 4222) and then the 5 game streak:
Can see in general the games are much less high scoring. Three things stand out for me:
1) I have the WB set to "join the attack" but at times it feels they dont, or at least are very slow to do so. This adds defensive stability obviously, but also blunts the attack somewhat
2) The movement of my strikers feels really good in this formation, which is wierd because they have exact same settings, same players as i used in 4222 and in 41212 and they didnt move at all well. Makes about as much sense as the rest of fifa
3) with this formation my pass completion % takes a big spike - been 89 - 92% during that streak and at times before it was down in the low 80s, and at best 87 or so.
I am not gonna rebuild my team into this, because i know fine well it will just suddenly stop working, but nice tip that has helped my WL. Cheers @KezzaJ and the others who posted
Be careful re "5 game win streaks", i usually go on them after a formation change and think I've found he holy grail.
I think it's more of a coincidental timing. As I've noticed it a lot.
If you rise up 2 divisions with it, or you notice other specific changes, then you might just be onto a winner.
I mean i litterally said im not gonna change my team for it
But yeah formation changes can often give a form boost, the difference is being able to see why it works. For me at least, this works pretty well in slow gameplay and also against the ping pong through ball brigade, most of whom seemed to find me this weekendPlayed 10 games with it now and gone 8-2 to clinch G2.
352 is my no.1 formation - come back on LM/RM creates 5 atb and once you hold possession a few mins they bomb up for the overload. i use roberto carlos from LB to CDM and he rocks
I used a lot of 352 previously but the reason i like this better is that it appears the presence of the LWB and RWB "force" the middle 3 to stay narrower, which in the current "no crossing" game situation is good news. Means less gaps between the lines for the 2 striker teams to exploit.
Also for whatever reason, wingbacks on "join the attack" seem to have much less stamina drain than LM / RM on "come back on defence".
4:00 am, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Salvatori replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 2:49PM
Ended up 9 - 3 using this formation after 9 - 9 using my "regular formation".
To be honest, as with every single aspect of this game, it is just impossible to know whether it worked or whether i just won the connection roullette more times in those 12 games. The only time i had real trouble was the last game against a pretty poor team playing 41212 wide and it was just a horrid connection. My passes were not happening until it was way too late, and he could skill round me because my defenders were stuck in mud. Games like that kinda just drive home that formations, tactics, systems, all make zero difference much of the time.
None the less, i will keep this formation and give it a go in rivals a bit, see if i can hit upon some semi-decent gameplay at some point
what kind of instructions/tactics are you using? gonna give this a try after I finish my wl games
Very vanilla at the moment.
Balanced 5/4
Balanced 6/6
Wingbacks both on "join attack"
CM's both on "stay back" (they dont really, but this helps keep them as a backwards passing option in later phases - somethign i picked up from Nivaze in your thread actually)
CAM on "stay forward"
Both ST on "Get in behind"
The last 2 instructions i am generally not keen on, but this weekend i could not get my strikers to move without it so meh. Probably could tweak the striker and CAM settings and the attacking style but beause this worked right away, i left it. May tinker a bit in rivals now since im finished WL
3:00 pm, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Salvatori replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 1:53PM
Ended up 9 - 3 using this formation after 9 - 9 using my "regular formation".
To be honest, as with every single aspect of this game, it is just impossible to know whether it worked or whether i just won the connection roullette more times in those 12 games. The only time i had real trouble was the last game against a pretty poor team playing 41212 wide and it was just a horrid connection. My passes were not happening until it was way too late, and he could skill round me because my defenders were stuck in mud. Games like that kinda just drive home that formations, tactics, systems, all make zero difference much of the time.
None the less, i will keep this formation and give it a go in rivals a bit, see if i can hit upon some semi-decent gameplay at some point
2:00 pm, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Renamed123456 replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 3:37AM
Renamed123456 wrote: »Hmmm interestin. Played on a bit, and got as far as 5 wins in a row using this. What is noticeable is that it is much more stable defensively. Here are my results from 10 games before (using 4222) and then the 5 game streak:
Can see in general the games are much less high scoring. Three things stand out for me:
1) I have the WB set to "join the attack" but at times it feels they dont, or at least are very slow to do so. This adds defensive stability obviously, but also blunts the attack somewhat
2) The movement of my strikers feels really good in this formation, which is wierd because they have exact same settings, same players as i used in 4222 and in 41212 and they didnt move at all well. Makes about as much sense as the rest of fifa
3) with this formation my pass completion % takes a big spike - been 89 - 92% during that streak and at times before it was down in the low 80s, and at best 87 or so.
I am not gonna rebuild my team into this, because i know fine well it will just suddenly stop working, but nice tip that has helped my WL. Cheers @KezzaJ and the others who posted
Be careful re "5 game win streaks", i usually go on them after a formation change and think I've found he holy grail.
I think it's more of a coincidental timing. As I've noticed it a lot.
If you rise up 2 divisions with it, or you notice other specific changes, then you might just be onto a winner.
I mean i litterally said im not gonna change my team for it
Played 10 games with it now and gone 8-2 to clinch G2.
352 is my no.1 formation - come back on LM/RM creates 5 atb and once you hold possession a few mins they bomb up for the overload. i use roberto carlos from LB to CDM and he rocks
I used a lot of 352 previously but the reason i like this better is that it appears the presence of the LWB and RWB "force" the middle 3 to stay narrower, which in the current "no crossing" game situation is good news. Means less gaps between the lines for the 2 striker teams to exploit.
Also for whatever reason, wingbacks on "join the attack" seem to have much less stamina drain than LM / RM on "come back on defence".
Hm fair play.
Some games my LMRM alright. I usually only ever have to sub one. CDM. CAM.
I might stick 352, i would have stayed 3421 but it defends as 442. Not sure if 343 still defends as 541 or 532 or if it's been changed.
4:00 am, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Renamed123456 replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 2:00AM
Hmmm interestin. Played on a bit, and got as far as 5 wins in a row using this. What is noticeable is that it is much more stable defensively. Here are my results from 10 games before (using 4222) and then the 5 game streak:
Can see in general the games are much less high scoring. Three things stand out for me:
1) I have the WB set to "join the attack" but at times it feels they dont, or at least are very slow to do so. This adds defensive stability obviously, but also blunts the attack somewhat
2) The movement of my strikers feels really good in this formation, which is wierd because they have exact same settings, same players as i used in 4222 and in 41212 and they didnt move at all well. Makes about as much sense as the rest of fifa
3) with this formation my pass completion % takes a big spike - been 89 - 92% during that streak and at times before it was down in the low 80s, and at best 87 or so.
I am not gonna rebuild my team into this, because i know fine well it will just suddenly stop working, but nice tip that has helped my WL. Cheers @KezzaJ and the others who posted
Be careful re "5 game win streaks", i usually go on them after a formation change and think I've found he holy grail.
I think it's more of a coincidental timing. As I've noticed it a lot.
If you rise up 2 divisions with it, or you notice other specific changes, then you might just be onto a winner.
2:30 am, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Razovar replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 8, 2019 11:38PM
So you’ve been using it for about 4 weeks? 😂😂
12:00 am, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Kulman replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 2:19PM
I used this formation in 17. I liked when my CMs had H/H wr. Used Marchisio and Naingolan there. Will give it a try again latwr
2:30 pm, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Kove replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 8, 2019 11:48PM
It's actually very underrated if you don't play conservatively.
The CCB is effectively as CDM and the fullbacks play high up
12:00 am, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Ghotti replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 9, 2019 9:37PM
its same as 352 btw.
10:00 pm, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
ELSALCFC replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 8, 2019 11:53PM
Try 3412 it’s more fun. Similar to 5212 but naturally more attacking.
12:00 am, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Dubbly replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 2:25PM
May give this a try once I get Zanetti from Swaps.
Already playing a 442 diamond so it won’t feel too much different.
Gives me an excuse to splash out on a third defender as well I guess. Let’s go lenglet!
2:30 pm, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Delboy13710 replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 8, 2019 11:40PM
I'm using 532 today its awesome the full backs play as wingers
12:00 am, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
D-Maniac replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 10, 2019 2:12AM
352 is my no.1 formation - come back on LM/RM creates 5 atb and once you hold possession a few mins they bomb up for the overload. i use roberto carlos from LB to CDM and he rocks
2:30 am, November 10, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
Amargaladaster26 replied to 5212 is the best formation on the game on November 8, 2019 11:55PM
I love it, used it last WL, trying it now again, starting in 4222 and changing ingame to 5212:
12:00 am, November 9, 2019 Ultimate Team General Discussion
